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Theory of the origin of the state: Power and ambition is not evenly distributed throughout society, and powerful and ambitious people tend to gravitate towards eachother. Left to their own devices, they will naturally organize in ways that benefit themselves and solidify their power. They form companies, alliances, and states, and there's little ability to stop them. It's mutually beneficial for powerful people in a geographic location to "be on the same side" - i.e. it is better to direct their ambition and desire for conquest to people outside their immediate vicinity. It's also beneficial for them to set up common rules of the game, so that they aren't competing warlords. It's something akin to a predator-organization that benefits domestic predators and can more successfully fend off foreign predators. It's not that the state is necessary or that it provides some magical service that couldn't be provided privately. It's that it's an inevitable result of ambitious people. Another way of putting it: With a high enough population, the types of people that that form states will inevitably organize and form states.
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I feel like you made a case for the state being necessary. Because, like you said... it's inevitable. And I do think it's necessary in the sense of the destitute having some chance of being connected to a social system.
bitcoinappdev replied:
Also necessary for the sake of helping the powerful do marketing!
bitcoinappdev replied:
and PR
stevepatterson replied:
"People lying" is also inevitable. Doesn't mean it's desirable, though it certainly benefits some people.
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bitcoinappdev replied:
Perhaps beneficial = desirable?
hm,,, seems out of place to look for any explanation of states that paints them as inevitable, when a glance at the broader story of humanity shows that they're tremendously rare and in the rare event that they're formed they quickly fall apart
adonsats replied:
@mungojelly 🤯 u blow my mind ! that reality is actually very hard to understand or to learn. many people think that history start with some (very young) western communities. This ignorance is almost everywhere today.
you're describing recent events. and that's just in that area of definition. this is not a natural attitude but a normal attitude mainly motivated by the (presumptuous) desire to dominate the world. A natural attitude will produce TOTALLY different desires. The simple nature of the human being is to SERVE, to ennoble, to push for evolution through permanent and incisive movement. ( sorry for the english 😇 )
States are the result of psychology, not economic necessity.
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adonsats replied:
many actual leaders will could nerver understand this.