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Man... the book of Romans is making only fragments of sense to me. I mean, I kinda get it on a superficial level, but it's still like "WHOOSH" wrt practical application. In chapters 6 - 8 if anyone wants to discuss? I guess my question is, if we're dead to sin in Christ... then... why do we need to keep fighting sin and choosing righteousness? Paul sort of explains the struggle in 7:20... "Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it." I've heard gnostics talk about being 51% good (that is, greater than 50% good...) as the goal. In 8:12-14 he clarifies, "Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation - but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are Sons of God." He must be talking about spiritual Life here. It's interesting to me that religious Christians reject the idea of reincarnation so strongly, looking at 8:19-21 "The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God." There are many ways to interpret that... as all "spiritual" people hope for some kind of afterlife. To someone with a spiritual orientation... if there's no afterlife to hope for, then what good is any hope? Fleeting pleasurable moments are just that: love between family and friends strike me as the enduring threads that weave the "glorious freedom" Paul refers to as Christian hope. Looking at it from the point of reincarnation or rebirth in a spiritual plane, it makes sense. He says in 8:2, that he's waiting eagerly for "our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies." So rather than the spiritual life being about being saved and "possessed" by God... it's more that we have a chance of working with the Spirit in order to do a 51% attack on evil in our bodies... so that our bodies (perhaps spiritual bodies bearing spiritual fruit) can be (or already in a sense are) redeemed by God... for more glorious bodies in a more spiritual place than earth as we know it...?
Not one is good but Christ, we will all be sinners for the rest of our lives. The concept of reincarnation can co-exist with religious Christianity. One can live his or her life without needing to define the parameters of the afterlife, I believe in Buddhism and Christianity simultaneously. By allowing it to be a mystery you do not have to allow this mystery to torment you. In fact this can be a source of good feeling when you know in your heart god only wants the best for you. And all you can do on this earth is better than your best. And god can see when you are truly trying and your good labors and efforts will be rewarded. Even if it takes you 40 years as it took me to find what I never imagined I'd find and better. There is an afterlife all though you may not be conscious and alive in your current form. You can participate in your afterlife by actions that you do while you are alive on earth. The whole concept of Christianity is partly based on the fact that a human being on earth had such an impact with his actions on earth, that he will be an active participant in the afterlife on earth even when he is no longer present in his physical form. "The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God." Yes the free will of man and woman allows us to chose sin. Yes the creation does wait for the sons of God to be revealed. Bondage and decay could refer to decay of the soul whilst living the life of unbridled unrepentant wickedness and not obtaining a state of feeling the eternal life of God's grace. "in hope that the creation itself will be liberated " that could mean liberating your self from the physical world by letting go of the physical hold that the world has on you and allowing god to hold you . Also our defining of time into simply seconds causes you to view that second as small. But if you reject the notion of time as we commonly understand it it allows for the possibility and appreciation of the eternal nature of the second of god's grace, something which I recently experienced. And will never be the same ,When you have simply had enough of this life and give up ,and then out of the blue God allows you to experience just a glimpse of his grace. When you thought life was just gona be no good any more and there was no help or hope for you. When God heals you spiritually from a state of despair by granting you the gift of experiencing his grace I assure you, you will know it and be convinced of the power of gods grace. Also there is many ways of interpretation ,once you have grasped the basic fundamentals of Christ and are interpreting the bible with good intentions your mind will open up. Applying Christianity to the modern world is something else. 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2022:36-40&version=NIV Redefining what you perceive as a pleasurable moment. Just freeing yourself from the notion of what you believe to be pleasurable .can help you amongst many other things to become brand new spiritually and forgiven in gods eyes, and each second of your life will be eternal and you will be able to see in a far reaching way and not be tormented daily, and when you are tormented it will be nothing, because you you have 100% faith that god will make your physical hurt and problems not able to hurt your spirit. When you are transformed by god's grace no drug on earth can compare with it you will feel true pleasure of having been blessed with a glimpse of god's grace. In fact he even gave us cannabis and other plants to grant our bodies physical and spiritual pleasure on earth. The world can seem a new spiritual place that will totally satisfy you if you seek that. And you can experience imaginary spiritual worlds limited only by your mind and spirit which is unlimited.
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bitcoinappdev replied:
So encouraging and uplifting, many thanks!!
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Oh that's awesome you're more than welcome that was my intention ,to communicate my thoughts with someone benefits me immensely kind of testing myself to see if I'm crazy or is there someone out there that can make heads or tails of what I'm thinking ,very in deep questions you were raising ,I to have searched for meaning in this text and was and am still struggling with the mysteries of the universe but am very relieved to have been offered a chance to live without the demons that have been plaguing me my whole life. I call it "the eternal one second of a glimpse at God's grace theory" I have another one where I was on a one year meth binge and in a dream I left my body and went into my own brain and saw how the human brain works I call it "the God code theory".
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You need to read and study the Gospels, especially John, before you can understand Paul's letters to the romans. Learn from Jesus' words first for context.
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bitcoinappdev replied:
True, thanks