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mungojelly

7 months ago

um have you considered though also the hypothesis that maybe lots of people are very irrational

mungojelly

7 months ago

that sounds nice i'd like to not have a problem with how almost everyone in BSV has a different ideological perspective than me the problem for me with just respecting the differences, though, is that there's lots and lots of people loudly angrily saying things about how people like me (leftists, socialists) are irredeemably terrible and saying how we should certainly be excluded entirely from polite society, sometimes explicitly saying that we should suffer and die, and at some point especial

mungojelly

7 months ago

sure sounds like bullshit .... it's total bullshit isn't it??

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mungojelly

7 months ago

No one really had any doubt that the throughput of Bitcoin could be increased? What? Were you not there? Almost everyone in "crypto" insisted that you couldn't increase the throughput of Bitcoin. They're STILL insisting that now. I had a conversation just this week with someone who smugly informed me that the only reason BSV transaction costs are low is that it isn't used. :/

mungojelly

7 months ago

mungojelly

7 months ago

happy birthday

it's not just some arbitrary marketing narrative that it's the original, that's what it is, it matters that this is the original Bitcoin and that we're preserving it,, Bitcoin is a pretty cool idea, and it would be sad if it just stopped existing

mungojelly

7 months ago

.a'oi jbobo .i mi cusku dei do ti po'u la'o .gy. PowPing .gy. .i za'e .paupin. .i la .paupin. cu cinri mi .i pilno la .bitcoin. ku noi la'a milxe po slabu do .i la .paupin. cu pilno BSV noi fadni .bitcoin. je noi .oi so'i prenu cu xebni je cu zmanei lo mabla ki .i na mutce po vajni .i do na nitcu po jimpe fi lo .bitcoin. nei po pilno .i na kargu .i nonseldi'a sa'e .i ku'i cumki fa po dunda lo jdini do .i da'i do cusku lo lojbo fo la .paupin. .i va'o la'e di'u mi dunda lo cmalu jdini do .i cumk

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mungojelly

7 months ago

Seems rational enough to me, any other topic you're likely to get more engagement on boring old Twitter where everyone already is. :) I'm going to start inviting Lojbanists to come speak Lojban on PowPing, but I'm not sure that would help you any, unless you wanted to learn Lojban. :D

mungojelly

7 months ago

The distinction between personal and private property has nothing to do with the state. The same distinction is made by socialist anarchists. What makes property private rather than personal is that your use of the property affects other people. Like if you claim as your private property the right to fish a fishery, that's not the same as a personal possession, because your use of that property can affect other people's lives and the health of species and ecosystems. People should be allowed to

mungojelly

7 months ago

um how does it not already count as imploded,, it's been living on pure hope for a long time now, nobody ever says that ethereum is currently working awesomely, they only say good things about their fantasies about 2.0

mungojelly

7 months ago

the unity of fascism comes from how it's a reaction to the left, it's not really any coherent idea on its own, it only exists as a strategy for defending established interests against the change proposed by leftism

mungojelly

7 months ago

whoa that sounds terrible .. they just empty out their toilets at the edge of the street?? :o do the streets have like trenches on the side of them with bridges across them?

mungojelly

7 months ago

That was an interesting conversation! It's a total counterpoint to a show I listen to often about the tech industry, Techtonic with Mark Hurst on WFMU. One point that felt crucial to me was about the terms of the exchange not actually being clear-- my strong intuition is that people would be very upset actually by the terms if they understood how much their web activity is being tracked. So I don't think it's fair to portray it as if it's all fine because it's an exchange where both parties bene

mungojelly

7 months ago

um so your proposal is we should just kill however many people it would take to make capitalism look like it's working well?

mungojelly

7 months ago

it was either that or let the whole US economy crumble so they decided they'd better prop it up a bit longer .. i agree it's dangerous and ridiculous but also i agree that it was necessary given the context,, fucked up situation

mungojelly

7 months ago

today i've been listening to J Dilla - The Jay Dee Tape

mungojelly

7 months ago

well, someone would have to pay the transaction fee for their message to go on the chain,, so no,, the chain doesn't allow spam and email does so they're not compatible

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mungojelly

7 months ago

and of course there are cheaper ways to send messages to other computers, what makes it worth a whole $0.001 or whatever is the CONSENSUS ON TIMING, that anyone with just the block headers can follow the merkle roots to verify WHEN a piece of data existed .. that's absolutely essential for money, tokens, contracts, gaming, publication, anything where you need to be able to verify the order of when things happened ,, the only other choice is just to trust central authorities not to backdate thing

mungojelly

7 months ago

powping's hardly been used at all yet, i'd say, just some experimental usage by the usual bsv crowd ... in general people don't join new social networks since generally it's all cost and no benefit .. you never know though on the net, stuff can randomly go viral any time for seemingly no reason

mungojelly

7 months ago

good morning! that's pretty :)

mungojelly

7 months ago

instead of thinking of clever reasons why you shouldn't why don't you just wear a mask so you don't accidentally kill someone

mungojelly

7 months ago

In practice what happens with "closed" membership groups is usually that there's a single administrator or a small group of administrators who have the authority to add people,,, and they don't have the energy to actually check whether people are serious about the group or to encourage positive participation from them, so they just add pretty much anyone who requests to join,,, and then when that doesn't work any better than an open forum because it's not really a barrier to entry, they impulsiv

mungojelly

7 months ago

blocking works ok! i like the old feature from back in the day, usenet and stuff, we used to "plonk" people, i think that works even better .. it's like a shadowban, you can't tell the difference between being plonked and being ignored,,, so then the plonked people just keep talking and trying to get your attention rather than making new accounts to evade the block ... sometimes the people who all of the actual participants have plonked will even keep responding to one another and keep one anoth

mungojelly

7 months ago

for some reason i've been talking with non-bsv crypto people the past couple days, and it's remarkable how little they've updated their talking points over time!?! like, someone said to me yesterday how SegWit is awesome b/c it's a block size increase .... what?? the point of that line was to be in denial about how the "BTC" fees were going to keep being high and unpredictable .... by now they were supposed to have updated that line to say that high fees are awesome or irrelevant because LN, o

mungojelly

7 months ago

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mungojelly

7 months ago

well, it briefly was

are you a fascist too or just ignorant

mungojelly

7 months ago

nazism has nothing at all to do with socialism,, they were lying when they said it did,, they SAID they were lying, hitler said explicitly that he thought it would be a clever idea to lie and say that because people would actually be gullible enough to believe it just because they said it,,, so uh,,,, you could try not to be so credulous as to literally trust hitler as a source of information

mungojelly

7 months ago

I guess one answer is you only NEED to put things on chain when you need a consensus as to their timing. If you need consensus on when a piece of data appeared, you only need to put its hash. But I don't think we're always going to be that conservative, especially since the amount that humans can type is staying steady while the cost of storing and transmitting the things they type is always rapidly decreasing. At some point we're going to say, yes it'd cost a whole $0.00001 to put this on the c

mungojelly

7 months ago

There's more to the system than code. They'd have to also start up some industrial scale servers capable of carrying a heavy chain. There could be people involved with "BTC" that have the capital to start up a real chain, but it wouldn't be an overnight switch flip for sure. Even more difficult than copying the code or building out the infrastructure would be admitting that they'd been wrong the whole time-- difficult psychologically, of course, but also very very difficult in terms of convincin

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mungojelly

7 months ago

um where we're at is people being respectful to the variety of ways people perceive and enjoy things?? voluntarily because they think it'll increase the market for their game?? and everyone gets to choose to play however they want?? it seems like you're implying this is a bad thing, which,,,, wtf how

mungojelly

7 months ago

i find ignoring ethereum pretty easy actually

mungojelly

7 months ago

Um, trick question, they both already collapsed. BTC fell over when it got a mainstream media cycle and anyone tried it out at all. ETH fell over just from cryptokitties. They failed then and they've never recovered. They're still technically running at all but neither of them are currently functioning properly. You can't use them for anything real. They've so completely failed that it's difficult for them to fail more than they already have, they can't go from completely useless to double compl

mungojelly

7 months ago

as i read this https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7035314-Complaint.html i couldn't help but imagining BTCers reacting by being mad that most of these al-qaeda addresses aren't segwit .. how dare al-qaeda! fucking spammers, don't they know block space is a precious resource

mungojelly

7 months ago

I guess I don't see how the channels are useful to me. They seem like normal social media stuff that just encourages filter bubbles and other than filter bubbling doesn't do anything to bring signal over the noise, so you just have noise reinforcing particular framings. Moderation only improves the quality theoretically, since actual facilitation is generally too much work for people to bother to volunteer for it for free. What I'd like is groups with defined restricted membership and both an i

mungojelly

7 months ago

one i've been enjoying lately is Even More News https://evenmorenews.libsyn.com/

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mungojelly

7 months ago

can't you smell the scam from link a million miles away?? if you've been taking link seriously at all you should get your nose checked :/ even the people buying it don't think it's worth shit, they're just playing chicken with it :/

mungojelly

7 months ago

i was surprised when i watched some dude from grayscale a week or two ago that he utterly failed to project any gravitas at all, i really really didn't understand how any serious money people were getting tricked by them, their customers must be .. oblivious

mungojelly

7 months ago

None of these three are a functioning Bitcoin. "BTC" is a worthless bubble game, where they have no intention at all of making the Bitcoin system happen (where transactions ramp up to support mining), they're just paying miners with the bootstrap block reward to have a pretend chain for a while because they're selling it to people who have no idea what they're buying while they try to spin up some alternate system to try to sell them. Nothing at all to do with Bitcoin. BCH is a toy project wh

mungojelly

7 months ago

I think the way it has to spread is just people giving their friends a penny. We were doing fine at that, years ago, that's why "Bitcoin" exploded as a meme and everyone's heard of it. Unfortunately there's this bizarre bait-and-switch fake Bitcoin confusing everyone. So we're in this awkward situation where when we try to give people a penny worth to show them how simple it is, they can't tell the difference between that and all the fake useless bullshit chains. It's really off-putting to have

mungojelly

7 months ago

I really think they're not comparable. "BTC" is a fantasy, it's pure fantasy. It doesn't do anything. So regardless of circumstance it can keep doing nothing, and people can keep valuing it doing nothing if they want to, you can't stop them from paying a zillion dollars for a completely useless token that they just like to value, and why try to stop them, let them have their toys. Probably it'll pop at some point, that's what bubbles generally do, but when is unpredictable, and it doesn't really

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mungojelly

7 months ago

Even if I really like your content, it doesn't actually make economic sense to me that I'd pay for it??? I have far more excellent content available to me than I can watch, the internet is nothing but content. I'd rather pay for someone to filter down the unreasonable amounts of content already available to me so I have any idea what to choose. Paying instead to have MORE content added to the already incredibly giant pile seems bizarre. :/

mungojelly

8 months ago

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i understand what makes powping different but i can't think how to explain it to people who aren't already BSV users in a way that makes them care?? like, if i tell any random person, "this new site is cool because it's bitcoin transactions, but not that bitcoin, and not on the chain,, which is interesting because it expands the use of bitcoin as an identity system",,, they will not understand a single thing that i've said to them XD i guess even though it's not actually a distinguishing featur

mungojelly

8 months ago

the real actual trippy reason is that there was a meme there trolling trump's rally and he's actually that petty and vindictive :/ i heard about tiktok before it was tiktok, i guess, gary vaynerchuk was talking forever ago about how musically would be the next big thing,, i still haven't tried it

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mungojelly

8 months ago

mungojelly

8 months ago

welcome

i want a bunch of veggies, veggie works pls <3

mungojelly

8 months ago

this morning i wrote some code for a new shape of processes and it was a failure, which was productive!! i only spent half a day actually building what i'd imagined before realizing it felt way too fragile so now i've been writing it again but instead of directly doing things i'm REQUESTING things, all the processes do is write messages requesting things, much more testable and stable and such .... i did have an intuition i'd have to build it that way, but i don't want unnecessary complications

mungojelly

8 months ago

the number of cases is the number of positives, the percentage is also the number of positives, out of the total number of tests, so if it's 10% and there's 1,000 cases, they did 10,000 tests .. the reason why they give the percentage positive is because it's a reliable indicator of whether there's actually an increase in the number of people infected .. if you measure a zillion more people and get a few more cases but the positivity percentage goes way down, then you were already finding most o

mungojelly

8 months ago

hm,,, seems out of place to look for any explanation of states that paints them as inevitable, when a glance at the broader story of humanity shows that they're tremendously rare and in the rare event that they're formed they quickly fall apart

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mungojelly

8 months ago

hm? seems to be mostly manufactured out of anti-mask propaganda and paranoia :/

mungojelly

8 months ago

No. It can't work because we still have a free flow of information. If there actually was a value to the content then you could resell it after purchase for nearly as much as you bought it. There's no way to do DRM other than pervasive surveillance of all human activity. People will pay for things behind paywalls but they'll also donate to content creators without even a false threat so that's all that's happening is that people are donating to creators of content they like. You can't actually s

mungojelly

8 months ago

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mungojelly

8 months ago

quiet here still still quiet here still & quiet still still & still quiet quiet & still still quite quiet

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mungojelly

8 months ago

well maybe they wouldn't have felt the need to baby you like that if you'd just voluntarily taken that trivial amount of responsibility in the first fucking place, jesus "new law, to prevent pandemic spread, starting today you will no longer be allowed to spit in strangers' faces whenever you feel like" we should all be fucking embarrassed of our condition as a society that such a law needed to be made

mungojelly

8 months ago

i used to think i needed to cook zucchini, for some reason, but these days i often eat it raw! you can just chop it up and throw it in a salad

mungojelly

8 months ago

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mungojelly

8 months ago

It just needs a media cycle where people say, "wait there are multiple bitcoins???" There's no competition in terms of the features and capacity of the chain, so it's just a matter of getting anyone to notice. That means overcoming the weirdness of the situation-- like, probably nobody's going to spontaneously start reporting on there being multiple Bitcoin chains without some really compelling reason, because the story is convoluted and confusing and bizarre and so they'd have to EXPLAIN to t

mungojelly

8 months ago

um no socialism is about making it so productive people have fair access to capital so that they can keep the value they produce socialism is ALL ABOUT rewarding work that is the CENTRAL IDEA of socialism "WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!" is one of socialism's most traditional and popular slogans the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of socialism is to make it so that productive people can't be forced to work for less than the value of what they produce

mungojelly

8 months ago

himr! welcome to powping :*

mungojelly

8 months ago

mungojelly

8 months ago

!!

yeah watch out for humans,, sharks are sweeties <3

mungojelly

8 months ago

Hm oh I just got here, is that what's happening, people just talking about Bitcoin?? Well that's normal, that's what we have in common, then if it's successful it'll branch into other things. :) I'm just going to be posting incomprehensible bizarre things from my evolving processes mostly,, so,, maybe that helps?? XD

mungojelly

8 months ago

Hello from the evolving process Trio Conclusion Problems! I just mutated it so that it posts here (by having me post here)! How are you doing powping?? Nice to meet you. <3 https://www.bitpaste.app/tx/fdfbaeae67ccaf85cec42c98e41b55138d6f2b3a1667f4c8e582fbd1d28af187

mungojelly

8 months ago